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Here is a remarkable statement from AndytheGrump: 'Reliability can only be judged on what the source says about a particular thing ' -Corollary -we only reference statements we like from the NYT? In particular, I'd like to respond to the following argument by Userpd:. Now, read literally, and, I think, correctly, this policy seems to state that material from reliable non-academic sources may be used if the specific material itself , and not merely the non-academic source in general, has appeared in respected mainstream publications. In other words, the fact that Radio Netherlands itself has been referenced by respected mainstream publications on other subjects does not mean that it's rubber stamped as a reliable source.


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Rather, if the actual Radio Netherlands material which alleges the negative connection with Palin — upon which her purported membership in the category is based — has appeared in respected mainstream publications, it may be eligible to be considered reliable. But if that were the case, I don't think this debate would be taking place, because you'd have yourself a reliable source. Cheers all. Factchecker atyourservice talk , 7 February UTC. We don't even need to Godwinize the debate; we can go over the top in a much more relevant way, tailored to the particular discussion in a way that I think that some of the editors who support the inclusion can understand.

The article states that Palin supports a group which supports Wilders, therefore Palin is just as much an anti-Islamist as Wilders.


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That is exactly what is being pushed here, and it's just as preposterous. Note also that there is still absolutely no mention at all of this issue in the article on Palin, which is an ironclad requirement to add any category especially a contentious or potentially libelous category to a BLP. You cannot add categories which are not discussed in the article for any reason whatsoever, and a mention on the article on Geert Wilders does not give Userpd carte blanche to use it here. As for his fatwa against me because I am an admin, it doesn't matter at all because I am not and have not acted as an admin on this page, except for the one time where I restored semi-protection after full protection expired.

I am far too involved as a regular editor to act in an administrative capacity, and his tedious attempts to try to impose the standards of an uninvolved admin on me are singularly unproductive and unrealistic, a total red herring used to obscure his attempts to push a PoV on this article with no solid sourcing. Note that I am not in any way questioning RNW as a source; I am stating that the source does not make the conceptual leap he is making to tie Palin to the category.

Horologium talk , 8 February UTC. I tried to collapse this section, but can't seem to get it to work. Userpd, if you are unhappy with this, take the argument elsewhere - you are wasting your own time as well as everyone else's here. You Betcha! The infobox lists Palin as the 5th mayor of Wasilla.

You might want to double check that. Wasilla had at least 4 mayors prior to those which are listed on the Wasilla page. Wasilla started out as a second-class city, which elects its mayors from amongst the city council membership. About ten years later, it became a first-class city, which popularly elects its mayors.

I believe that Bumpus was the first popularly-elected mayor. I previously pointed this out on Wasilla's talk page in May of last year, but I suppose that people quit paying attention once Palin's association with Wasilla wasn't so flavor-of-the-month.

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The Kenatipo changes shifted the focus from repeated resignations by one governor to a history of resignations from the Office of Governor of Alaska by many 5, 6, maybe more. The insertion of one should not have cancelled out the other as it really is two seperate observations. Both facts should be included. The edit summary for the change speaks to "putting it in historic context". That may well be, but it is not necessary to hide other historic facts ie, the repeated resignations by a single ex-governor in order to inumerate how many Alaskan governors have quit.

Both observations should be shared with the reader. I personally don't see either characterization as significant, especially in the lead. The original edit was an attempt to "invent a category" that suited a POV, i.

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From any perspective, that presentation of facts in the originally edit was purely WP:OR. The only person to quit all government positions? The second set of facts was a conspicuous attempt to place that resignation in an historical context by qualifying with facts that others have resigned the office previously before or after Alaskan statehood.

Neither points belongs in the lead or, possibly, the article Fcreid talk , 17 February UTC. A comment on process, mostly directed to Locke's Ghost: Ideally, the place to start with your addition of "first elected governor" would have been the Resignation of Sarah Palin article. If it flies there, then it can be in the relevant subsection of this article, and, if it's notable enough it can be mentioned in the lead of this article.

Ideally speaking, of course. I'll break the ice is this is actually a legitimate discussion and not just trolling Fact: She resigned before her term ended.

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Fact: It is very, very notable that she did so. What sources do you provide to proclaim so, as others above have provided differing sources above? Fact: This is also notable.

You'll need to demonstrate why this is notable, e. What's makes it any more notable than, say, being the only Alaska governor to do so with size 6 shoes? Fcreid talk , 6 March UTC. I added the birthdate of Track Palin, April 20 , to the "family life" section.

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I note that this was deleted. The information is discussed at various places on the web; it would be useful to have it in Wikipedia as a source, instead of just in various blogs and commentaries. A search for "track palin birthday" gives, for example, 50, hits: Track Palin Birthday search Some of which are:.

I'm just putting in the factual information. I am receiving enough machine-gun fire from partisans simply for the attempting to insert sourced facts into the article that I do not have the time to fight the battle you propose. Thanks, but no thanks. HiLo I'm sorry the google link doesn't work for you. It works on my end of the link; feel free can go to Google. For what it's worth, Obama's kids' birthdays are listed, Joe Biden's and Mitt Romney's only have year of birth and Huckabee's are simply listed as adults.

Arguably, presidential children are a special case.

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Regardless of other considerations, I have a hard time seeing why we would include the date of birth for one child and not the others. Folks, we're being riled up by a user that's all-but an SPA in a meaningless challenge to do the impossible. May I suggest that we ignore the interloper, hat the preceding talk section, and return to our regularly-scheduled business?

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Several users have expressed a desire to revise the lede; others have worried that it is already too long. No one has yet offered specifics. While I'm dubious of the particular insertions that have been suggested, I agree the lede is in dire straights, practically dripping with fat and obsolete recentism.

I'd like to propose the following revision:. February 11, , is an American politician and commentator. She was the youngest person and the first woman elected Governor of Alaska , an office she held from December until resigning in July In the United States Presidential Election , she was the Republican nominee for Vice President , becoming the first Alaskan on the national ticket of a major party and the first Republican woman nominated for the vice-presidency. Speculation that she would run for the Presidency in began when it became apparent that the McCain—Palin ticket would be defeated.

After her resignation, Palin wrote Going Rogue , which has sold more than two million copies, and America by Heart. She has associated herself with the Tea Party movement , endorsing and campaigning for a number of successful candidates in the midterm elections. Since January , she has providing political commentary for Fox News , and hosted a television show, Sarah Palin's Alaska , which aired between November and January This version strips out an awful lot of information which certainly belongs in the article, but which no less certainly doesn't need to be covered in the lede.