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Holy Communion has been called the Holy Mysteries since ancient times. We are brothers and sisters of Christ. The heavenly connection is miraculous, mysterious and marvelous. John, Your understanding of words is different than mine. I don't see all words as metaphor. But your understanding helps me to understand your thinking a little more.

I am just guessing but I am thinking that you don't believe we can ever touch any reality.

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Because if words are all metaphors, when I try to describe, for instance, a baby or a flower, I will have to describe what the word baby or flower means and since to do that I must use words I will have to just keep on describing more words. It will be endless and you will never know for sure what I am talking about.

I am more of a realist then that. And how do you deal with a society which does privilege relativism? Or are you saying that it is impossible for those who see language in that way to not share common understandings? And perhaps I am trying to place too much moral weight on words. Anyway-a lot of thoughts going through my head. These are two different issues.

I do not believe the inescapably metaphoric nature of language automatically means that all meaning statements are relative to the speaker. This is essentially the point you made with your sentence about babies and flowers. I just want to reiterate, or reframe and restate the point in the light of the ways in which language gets constructed and meaning conveyed and inferred The baby thrown out with the bathwater, so to speak Its a question of choosing your battles. I think that a conversation partner would assert the same thing.

The next step would be to begin to explore or deconstruct those values, or their implications, and not be dissuaded by assertions undemonstrated? Its just a question of reflecting on the implications of the underlying values made present regardless of how they are stated. Steve, I think I understand what you are saying.

Correct me if I misunderstand your meaning. Perhaps those but not metaphoric. Here is my problem with calling language metaphoric. I am always thinking in theological terms and metaphor plays a very big part in the arguments we in the Presbyterian Church have with the name of the Trinity as well as other ways of seeing God. Metaphor in its technical meaning takes the meaning of one thing and places it on the other.

And because of what it is it only takes some of its meaning. The words vehicle and tenor are used to explain this. Caird who refers to G. Ogden and I. Richards The vehicle is what the word is generally used for. The tenor is that to which the word is transferred. But it also extends its meaning in a sensible way, like referring to God as the Shepherd of Israel. But God is not an unwashed, rough, keeper of animals. I think the common understanding of metaphor as described your authors is the correct one. There are layers and layers of dead metaphors??

An exploration of word origins and word usage in previous ages, I think, will bear this out.

By way of analogy, think of a language like English. If you dig deep enough, you are going to find loan words, bits of French, German and even indo european I am suggesting that in a similar way much of what we regard as conventional language, is in fact a graveyard of transferred meanings and buried associations. Steve, I think I will let most of what you write be and not question it except to ask how does truth and meaning work as social constructs when we are speaking of Jesus Christ as truth.

And then to add this- this conversation led to an interesting one with Brad. As we were talking about this he mentioned that many years ago the hinges on gates had what was called a wippen which was so named because it moved like a whip. And now he said pianos have a mechanism that is also called a wippen because it does the same thing.

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When I asked him if the names were arrived at separately or the person who created the piano wippen used the name from the gate he couldn't say. But it was an interesting discussion. But that is way off the subject and we have traveled along ways. I am always thinking in theological terms and metaphor plays a very big part in the arguments we in the Presbyterian Church have with the name of the Trinity as well as other ways of seeing God I'm about to teach the Gospel of john, and again I find myself amazed at the primary relationships described in the first few verses.

As for language, metaphors pianos and gate hinges there's enough data out there for these things to take care of themselves Steve, Thanks for both the use of your article and the conversation. I am sorry more readers did not engage at the end. But I did enjoy it and thank you. Perhaps I'm guilty of driving us off the road and into a ditch with all my nuancing and finessing of metaphor and trinity. The Guru seeks to awaken the aspirant to their own innate divinity You are That I understand the attraction!!

Jesus offers no such illusory panaceas. Post a Comment. Tuesday, January 5, Jesus and the Gurus. I am posting, with his permission, a guest article by Steve Scott a staff member of Warehouse Ministries. I intend this article as an answer to some of the questions asked in the comment section of my posting The Bhagavad-Gita, the Bible: grief and being human. This is a long posting but should be read as a whole piece. Please read and enjoy. Jesus and the Gurus While recently traveling in India, I had an opportunity to begin studying some of the religious and philosophical systems prevalent there.

I was able to participate in discussions with many Indians, Hindu, Buddhists and Christians. The Indian Christians were fond of reminding me that Christianity itself was an Eastern religion and, furthermore, that Christianity had been in India far longer than it had been in the USA. It was with these thoughts in mind that I set about trying to understand both the similarities and differences between Christianity and other Eastern religions. We tend to regard the guru as merely a teacher or a channel of a particular spiritual tradition, whereas my studies reveal that the guru properly understood is seen as an embodiment of the very tradition he teaches.

I'll provide some quotes from their own literature that suggests this a little later on. We also make the mistake of assuming that the guru merely teaches us the way of getting free from our accumulated sin karma or free from inordinate attachment to this realm of illusion maya and free from such pain such attachment produces samsara.

Deeper study, however, reveals that it is the guru himself who frees us from this threefold bondage. Jesus died and rose again to free us from the effects and power of sin. As I studied, I began to see that Jesus and the gurus were both claiming to fulfill almost identical functions.

Guru is Vishnu. Guru is Siva. Guru is the Supreme Brahman itself. Prostration to that Guru. Nothing greater than Guru exists. Therefore Guru is to be worshiped.

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The feet of Guru are the root of worship. The teaching of the Guru is the root of all mantras. The grace of Guru is the root of salvation. The Christian tradition has some similar ideas about Jesus.

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He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him all things were created, in Heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities - all things were created through Him and for Him. He is before all things and in Him all things hold together. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through Him and without Him was not made anything that was made. John In this the love of God was made manifest among us that God sent His only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him.

Perhaps they had never heard of the gurus. The absolute necessity of the guru for salvation is also stressed in the Gita. Prostration to that Guru, due to whose existence the world exists, due to whose effulgence the world is illumined, due to whose bliss all are happy. There is no penance beyond Guru. There is no knowledge beyond Guru. When Guru gets angry, none is the savior. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

For God sent His Son into the world, not to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through Him. John All this is from God who through Christ reconciled us to Himself. There is no hint of some kind of competitive rivalry between God the Father and God the Son. One certainly cannot fault their enthusiasm and devotion. The Guru Gita also counsels wholehearted devotion to the guru as being of spiritual benefit.

The water with which the feet of the Guru are washed is the sacred drink. The remains after Guru's meal are the proper food.