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His disciples will bear much fruit, and it will be good and God will get the glory, not us. So we can also say it is up to the person to decide ultimately. God.
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Enter your credit card information to ensure uninterrupted service following your free trial. Begin reading God's Word ad-free with instant access to your new online study library. God was merely carrying out justice. But the big issue is the death of the innocent.

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The problem is that the innocent were certainly killed when God required, in justice, that an entire people group be destroyed. Earthly governors and judges do not have authority to do evil; they only have the authority to carry out justice. But our creator has the right to do some things we have no right to do to each other whether we be rulers or not.

If God created us, God has the right to take our lives whenever he chooses. God did not create us with a promise that we should live forever, nor was God obligated to do so. Suffering is not in the same category as death, even if death is seen as cessation of existence. It would be evil of God to cause undeserved suffering unless God has morally justifying reason for doing so and provides equivalent compensation to the recipients of this suffering. It is not evil for God to extinguish a life.

But the Christian teaching is that, in fact, death is not our final end. Even if God has the right to cause us to cease to exist, he does not. So the innocent children who were killed when their guilty parents were also killed in the Canaanite genocide were compensated for any undeserved suffering they endured and from my view of the teaching of scripture are given another opportunity of life to fulfill their destiny. It is conceivable that they could be returned to another world much like our own—maybe they will even return to this world. Some theologians think they will be admitted immediately to paradise.

Whatever it is, there is no loss to the child who dies prematurely. The Canaanite civilization needed to be wiped out. The institutionalized evil of child sacrifice they practiced was so horrendous and culturally ingrained that it is very conceivable that God determined that the entire civilization needed to be destroyed. Thus a creator, under the above stipulations, cannot be accused of evil for commanding the Canaanite genocide or, say, the deaths of the firstborn of Egypt. God could have destroyed the Canaanites without commanding the Israelites to do it.

God could have sent a plague or, like he did millennia earlier, a flood. But in fact the Canaanite conquest was more merciful than the Flood. God gave them plenty of time, in fact 40 years, to flee before facing the doom they feared cf. Josh 2.

His teachings about not offending these little ones, or that of such is the kingdom of heaven, or that we have to become like children, or that what we have done to the least of these we have done to him all make it impossible that his followers should kill a child. If I create a computer that cannot last forever and then it breaks down, did I break it? It's not a weird definition of killing at all. God could create us so that we would never die so in fact God does take our lives by creating us to be such that we will eventually die.

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This statement ignores the fact that all animals also die sooner or later. In any case the problem of animal pain, in just about any context you place it, has some pretty easy answers. Christian and Jewish defenders of the God of the Hebrew scripture do not need to give evidence for this. The entire issue is posed hypothetically since many skeptics do not even believe the Exodus or most of the claimed historical events of the Hebrew scripture occurred anyway. So the question is, If the God of the Bible exists and did command the Canaanite genocide, would there be any justification for this act?

Well, yes there would be, if the Canaanites were as bad as the scripture says they were. So at this level of the argument, what really did happen does not matter. What matters are the hypothetical answers to the hypothetical questions. But in fact, as Aron points out, there is some evidence that the Canaanites were this bad. An institutionalized evil like this will continue generation after generation without end until the culture is fully destroyed.

The conquest of Canaan occurred once and only once. Also, a sword to the neck is much more merciful than being placed upon the glowing red-hot arms of an idol. I also need to emphasize that if the Israelites were morally incapable of killing these children if they were not in some way, might we say, semi-barbaric God would have done this himself.


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In other ways, however, the Israelite morality was much higher than that of their neighbors. The Canaanites were not killed because of any racial or ethnic identity. But if the parents were killed because of their wickedness, the children could have been killed because this too was part of the punishment of the adults.

Anticipation of this punishment by the Canaanites was a punishment in itself. However I feel you have failed to address my question.

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If killing innocent children and animals does not disqualify him from being perfectly good, what would? As a scientist I would have thought you would be keen to challenge assumptions in the light of observations. It seems that that is not the case. Your entire assessment of the evidence seems to rely on your central assumption, and at no point do you question it.

So I repeat my question, is there any action by god which would convince you that god is not perfectly good? Or perhaps I should re phrase it this way, even if you believe there exists a perfect god , is there any action of the god in the bible that would convince you that this character is not that perfect god? If there is none, then that would seem extremely narrow minded. If there is some, how is genocide not it? I also feel you did not address my question about what legitimises authority. How does one come to be in a position of legitimate authority? A government is deemed to be legitimate if it is elected by the people and does not abuse its power.

As Kim Jong Un was not elected I see no reason to say he has legitimate authority.

Even if was elected he has clearly abused his authority. Again your argument seems to rely on your inability to question your assumptions in the light of observations. How do you know there is a good reason? It seems only your starting assumption can give that.

But looking at the stories in the bible it seems the opposite is the case. My reading of the Exodus story is that god wanted to show off his power and harden Pharo's heart.

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Unless of course your refuse to challenge your starting assumption. To say that animals have less moral status than humans is not to say they have no moral status. Yet the passages in the bible and your own stance seem to imply that. For example the great flood, the 10 plagues etc. Consider Joshua , 6 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Be not afraid because of them: for to morrow about this time will I deliver them up all slain before Israel: thou shalt hough their horses, and burn their chariots with fire.