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He just swears out loud, not in a conversation with anyone. This bothers me, he comes across as immature and cowardly and loses my respect. If he doesn't like his work there are more constructive ways to deal with it. I look forward to listening to the podcast. Maggie Longshore.

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I work from home, of course. Scott Hanselman. Joe: Loved the SharePoint comment! David: Interesting how we are freaked out by a little religion but some profanity is probably ok Totally acceptable and expected. It never even registered with me that there was anything potentially offensive in Holman's article from the time I read it yesterday until I saw your article here. Didn't even cross my mind.

What is offensive, though, is that you conflate the sexually harassing presentations that keep popping up at conferences with the swearing that is part of normal day to day office that is, professional language. By painting the two with the same "it makes you less professional and persuasive" brush, you really belittle the importance of removing harassing material from tech events.

I suppose you can argue that these authors' presentations overuse swearing to the point of its losing its force, but I think that's clearly not the case, especially given your overreaction here—and in any case, that's a matter of taste, judgement, and effective communication, not appropriateness. And come on, this is the Internet. Frankly, this is my experience of this discussion as a whole: The original article didn't focus my attention on profanity at all; this one does. I think this is a valid question from one presenter and a well-respected, popular, and admired one at that to the public and to industry fellows.

I would assume that most who read this blog are also the types whoattend such presentations, at least occasionally. For myself, I agree that profanity IS a tool. I present for work from time to time, and there are instances where the properly placed swear word can drive a point home, or wake an audience up very effectively, with minimal offense. But it is important to know your audience. Frivolously populating a presentation or every presentation with profanity makes the tool less effective. On the other hand, it appears that the "industry" has become a more popular career choice, with greater opportunity for entry.

Also, the generation who came of age with the internet and high-performance personal computers has now entered the workforce, inclusing the software development industry. It has indeed become a "cool" profession, and there are any number of young coders who in fact do seem to cultivate a "hip, slick, and cool" personal brand.

Often this involves swearing. AMong other things. In England we have roger mellies profanasuarus as a swearing bible. Highly recommended in any office as a reference book by the way. Must be an American thing not liking swearing. I like some of the Anglo Saxon roots and history of some of the profanity.

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Doesn't bother me. In fact to be honest it adds humour and may I point you to Stephen fry's ideas on swearing and language. Bigger things in life to get annoyed about to be honest but each to their own. John smith. I'm also of the camp that considers it lazy but I don't think it's offensive. I like it better when people use thinly-veiled metaphors or couch it behind lame euphemisms. Like saying "Oh Bother! To me, these are much more entertaining and I always appreciate when someone makes an effort to play with language rather than relying on the relative safety of swearing to define oneself.

You be the judge: Option 1: Look at all these fucking choices Option 2: I haven't seen this much selection since the last family reunion. Kyle Baley. I grew up in a very strict environment, until I started working at a restaurant. All of a sudden, there were people using "those" words all the time! Movies, music, books - these words started popping up everywhere.

Over time, I began using some. Then, some friends were videoing a conversation, and they played it back for me. I sounded ridiculous. That was the turning point for me. Once I got back into environments where the expectations are different church, work, etc. Then, I joined the military. Though I haven't gone back to using the language, it doesn't faze me at all to hear it repeatedly. I was deployed with some Navy guys who seemed to be laboring under the impression that, if you didn't have another adjective, just add f'in. One of them once asked the other "Hey, can you f'in pass me that f'in ketchup?

Hanselminutes was fine to me. I tend to agree that those words are mostly throwaway words, words that people use when they don't have others to suffice. I know S is now pretty much defined as both fecal matter AND something of poor quality, and F can refer to copulation or, in its -ing form, an adjective that is a synonym with "really. I hadn't even noticed. Do the makers of that movie care that she has never seen their work? In the grand scheme of things, they probably don't; they got our money for the rental, and I doubt her not going to see any sequels would make or break their success.

It's tough to make that leap to business, though, and the comments above about "on behalf" are spot-on. Businesses lose customers and employees to so many other things as it is, why risk alienating them? None of the documentation or tutorials on those languages have had any profanity whatsoever. As I write some programs used by churches and other faith-based organizations, that's a good thing. If I have to pass one of my applications to some one there or sell it with extensibility baked in , I won't have to worry about sending them to the doc sites.

Finally, before someone decides they're just flat-out willing to offend, it might be useful to take a few minutes and ponder WHY it is offensive. Offense probably could be categorized as shock "I can't believe he said that! Which of those groups do you want to exclude from your target audience or client list? It's a free country, after all; people are free to talk how they like, and others are free to change their behavior due to that speech.

For me, I don't want to exclude any of those, so I don't use that language anywhere. There are other directions I could take this, but it's probably long enough too long already, and I'm sure you don't want a literal religious war here I tend to agree with you. I think swearing is a cop out to grab attention without doing the hard work of being compelling, passionate and persuasive without it; bit of a crutch I'm afraid. There is obviously a reward for doing it or people wouldn't bother. Doug Wagner.

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I'm definitely not a proponent of swearing, and I often turn off music or v shows that are full of gutter mouths. Chase Florell. I'm Danish as well, but I lived in the U. My opinion is that this is in very large part cultural. Most Americans simply can not appreciate how non-offensive the "f-word" or similar words are outside of the U. Sure, it's cursing. That may or may not be frowned upon depending on the circumstances, but those oh-so horrible words that we can't even type out while discussing them: just another swear word.

Neither more nor less offensive than so many others.

In fact in Danish, I'd argue that several actual Danish swear words carry a bit more oomph than a mere fuck which is more or less the equivalent of a damn it! Personally I find the American attitude odd, but I've learned to accept it and it has even rubbed off on me a bit. What I still find odd though, and can't help rebel against, is how even a discussion involving these words often doesn't actually contain the words themselves. It's all right to say fudge even though everybody knows exactly what you meant. Actually saying or writing fuck: outrageous! Now that's just strange.

Philip H. Eye of the beholder, man.