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Ilya: Could you please explain the difference between modern and old approaches in Ayurveda and its studying? We know that nowadays students in state Indian colleges are given a certain mix of Ayurveda and allopathic medicine, earlier it was not like this. David: Right, in modern India after the British Government allowed the opening of Ayurveda colleges, a big discussion took place concerning this topic: to make the education traditional or to combine Ayurveda and allopathic medicine.

The second approach has won and now students study both. In the traditional approach Ayurveda includes Yoga, Vedic astrology, Vastu; general orientation of therapy and treatment is more spiritual. In modern colleges Ayurveda is not studied like this anymore, first of all the focus is made on treatment of physical symptoms. But we are more interested in traditional Ayurveda, and in India there are many people who study it and practice. Many modern doctors in colleges are not even taught pulse diagnostics, application of yoga techniques and mantras in Ayurveda.

But nowadays in India there is a strong movement aimed to return to traditional Ayurveda. For example, in many Ayurvedic centers in Kerala they also teach yoga, astrology, mantras - it is a more traditional approach. Ilya: Traditional training system is a system of Gurukula - from the teacher directly to the pupil. Is it possible to be taught traditional Ayurveda in a college without a constant personal contact between the teacher and the disciple? David: It is very difficult. Studying in a college is absolutely different, you visit classes, and anyone is able to enter a college.

In India there are some places where traditional Ayurveda is being taught, for example, in Coimbatore.

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Along with a modern college there is a system designed for seven and a half years where traditional Ayurveda is given, but training is conducted in Tamil language and Sanskrit, it means that you should know them well. Besides, this training is more chamber, it does not take place in classes, you directly communicate and work together with the teacher. We teach not only medicine, but also yoga, mantras, Vastu, astrology. We carry on a dialogue and we try to cooperate with allopathic medicine, but we want Ayurveda remains to be Ayurveda. Ilya: There is a point of view that ancient knowledge given in classical texts nowadays requires some updating because of changed conditions of life, what do you think in this regards?

David: In Ayurveda it is said that all medications and systems of treatment should be applied in accordance with time, place and person. Therefore, constitution of a person, where he lives, how he eats, where he works always is taken into consideration. Ayurveda is not a thoughtless application of methods created five thousand years ago; it always considers a concrete moment. Certainly, there are classical texts and they are very useful, basic principles of treatment do not change.

For the last thousand years people did not create a new taste, there are six of them, did not become eight or ten. It is necessary to understand that ancient texts are just guides to action; at school we learn physics by Newton and physicians study therapy by Hippocrates, but it does not mean that science is limited by these people. Ayurveda is an application of universal principles of life. The big difference of Ayurveda is that it deals with each concrete person, perceiving him as something unique, and allopathic medicine treats people in large quantities.

We have traditional texts, but we do not limit ourselves just by them, therefore today many good books on Ayurveda are being written. Ilya: There is a point of view that Ayurveda should be looked at now from positions of modern discoveries. What is your opinion? David: A modern discovery is good, but it is not all. Doctors do not know everything; they are not all-mighty.

There is a set of diseases which cannot be cured by modern allopathic medicine. Ayurveda is based on a prana concept but western medicine considers a human exclusively from the point of view of biochemistry. From Ayurvedic point of view modern medicine has many restrictions as the human is not limited only to a physical body.

How does modern medicine treat diseases?


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Certain medications are prescribed. Some start to look at Ayurveda from the same point of view - to choose in Ayurveda equivalents to medications. It is not correct. He will be recommended a certain diet, panchakarmas, way of life and daily regime, everything makes sense. Ayurveda has a more adequate, holistic approach.

Ilya: How to teach traditional Ayurveda if in the west it is difficult to recreate Gurukula system? To transfer his knowledge, first of all, a teacher should possess a high level of spiritual development himself. It is impossible to prepare many lecturers with high spiritual level. How do you see the decision of this problem?

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David: We try to influence the situation somehow. There should be a lot of clear information about the tradition. We publish articles, books; there is a set of video recordings and others. It is necessary to understand, that some things in Ayurveda are very easy to be applied right now, it is not necessary to study for ten years, you can acquire them even for one weekend, if the teacher is good. To conduct a more healthy way of life you should not be a doctor. We need to develop our internal knowledge, not everyone has a possibility to be in a number of five-six close disciples trained by guru.

Ilya: But it is impossible to study, for example, pulse diagnostics by mail. David: Definitely you are right. We are not limited only to this course, there are many possibilities, and distant education cannot completely replace a direct training in a class.


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    • Not all of us have possibility or money to go where it is possible to study directly. We also have ordinary classes, seminars which you can visit. We cooperate with several Indian Ayurvedic colleges where you also can be trained later, get clinical practice, for example, with Doctor Sunil Joshi whom we recommend to our graduates. But a distant course is a good beginning; you receive a lot of information, basic and more profound. Naturally we also recommend other types of education.

    Today not everyone can just right away go and live next to the guru. Ilya: It is possible to comprehend asanas and pranayamas during seminars. But how would you comprehend meditation methods if you have never seen a person who reached higher results on this way? After all there are only few people for the whole history that were able to reach spiritual heights independently, the teacher is needed to the rest.

    David: Knowledge is never the superfluous. Even Yogananda used methods of distant training across all America. Ilya: There are two concepts of evolution and manifestation of the basic elements. One, more ancient, considers, that the first element is Agni, the later one considers that Akasha element was the first.

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    David: In fact there are much more of such concepts. We try to apply local laws to the Universe as a whole.

    For example, Vayu is present everywhere and not just in space or air. Panchamahabhutas, doshas are energy concepts, but not concrete physical substances, the Universe is based on energy and consciousness, but we try to define it in terms of our physical material world. Do you practice methods described in the book or it is only a scientific description? David: If you will read the whole book, you will understand that we practice these techniques.

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    In this case we do not represent ourselves as scientists who just study various practices or sacred texts, but do not believe in them. It happens very often in the modern world, many scientists publishing various researches, do not practice these techniques. Ilya: If you practice these techniques can you tell who your teachers were?

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    David: I had many teachers. We are also close with Shivananda Muthi, he is almost 80 years old and one of the most outstanding teachers in Andhra Pradesh state. He has a centre in India near to Vishvakapad. He is one of the best English-speaking teachers of Vedanta. And there are many others.